This was the most informative article on what’s happening within Jordan I have read in many years. I have been wondering throughout the Gaza debacle what is going on with Jordan and King Abdullah. We hear almost nothing of them/him. Now I know why. I hope that they give option #2 a try.
I'd like to recommend the several interviews Alistair Crooke has had over the last few days. He provides some in-depth history of Ansarallah which is very helpful in understanding the Tribes Mitra discusses here. The information on both posts compliment one another quite well. By extension that give a hint into what Iran's next step will be.
There is a “tribe” you failed to mention - Palestinians. Almost half the population of Jordan are Palestinian refugees, most of which have full Jordanian citizenship. Incidentally, the Palestinian Al-Husseini clan was implicated in the assassination of King Abdullah I. How do Palestinians fit into the tribal mix? Jordan has a long history of Westernization. Why would that change? And, what would be an alternative power grouping if Jordan turned away from Western alliances?
Second, palestinians are not seen so much as a tribe than as an ethnic group.
One can argue about that, but this would not be the place for it.
Third, there are a lot of tribes, but I only put the top 5 in many ways including the Bani Hassan, Bani Sakher ,and Magili.
Fourth, that's what makes the palestinian issue so fascinating, because the current queen is a palestinian. However, because of her and her family's reputation, she is seen more as a detriment than help.
That being said, thank you so much for your response. I always encourage dialogue 😊🙏🏽
No, I am not surprised, but I am confounded that China is seldom mentioned in discussions of the Middle East new power structure. They are always there waiting for the opportunity to make their move. They are far better equipped to thrive in that environment of transactional relationships.
First, thank you so much for your response. I always want to know what people think.
Second, no, this is not from the Game of Thrones, but a reality.
People tend to forget that although Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan are modern states that are built about a 100 years ago or so. However, their culture and tribes go back several thousand years.
So what king abdullah did is no difference that what MBS tried to do.
Unfortunately for both leaders, it has led to their own demise because they eliminated the very pillars they needed to maintain their power.
Thinking broadly, even our system of government is governed by tribal-like loyalties. Except the “tribes” take on ethnic or national origin or other similar loyalties. It’s not that different.
First of all, emma, thank you for your response. Second thank you for subscribing😊
Third, it's too little too late because no one believes him. If he wanted to do something, from the tribal perspective, he would not have shut down the Iranian missiles heading towards Israel, or he would have at the very least, threatened to walk away from the Israeli contract if israel had not stopped its behavior.
The fact that Ben Gavir entered Al Aqsa mosque grounds again and he didn't do anything, is all the facts the tribes need.
This is an interesting read, thank you for writing it. A few thoughts:
People having been predicting Jordan’s doom since the 90s and it has evolved and changes, but the P-doom day for Jordan has never actually been what people prescribed. I think that trend needs to be addressed here, including after the Syria civil war and the Arab Spring (which I would argue was the moment the social contract changed with the tribes).
I think this credits Hamza too much influence. Yes, some still see him as an alternative but I feel that the 2022 situations did not leave him looking particularly stately or mature.
First of all, thank you for your opinion. We always encourage different mindsets😊
second, this isn't about just crediting prince hamza. This is about the tribes look to this young man, not only because he's the image of his father in every sense, but also they want the old covenant back.
"that had defined the historical covenant between the tribes and their kings for centuries."
As an Ottoman province, Jordan did not have a King since they were conquered in 1516. In 1946 the Hashemite Kingdon of Transjordan was formed with King Abdullah.
Jordan is a powder keg, can explode any time , the unlikely alliance with Israhell will backfire and the Israelis will try desperately to move all Palestinians to to Jordan and that will create a civil war war in Jordan
Sooner the Uncle Sam puppets occupying the thrones ( especially in Jordan and Saudi Arabia) are deposed and overthrown the better chance the region will have to confront the enemies
This was the most informative article on what’s happening within Jordan I have read in many years. I have been wondering throughout the Gaza debacle what is going on with Jordan and King Abdullah. We hear almost nothing of them/him. Now I know why. I hope that they give option #2 a try.
First, let me thank you for your comments and views.😊
I always encourage people to have a dialogue. Because that's the only way humanity can learn.
Second, I thank you for subscribing.
If you want more detailed, however, please watch my previous videos that I did on king abdullah and MBS
I'd like to recommend the several interviews Alistair Crooke has had over the last few days. He provides some in-depth history of Ansarallah which is very helpful in understanding the Tribes Mitra discusses here. The information on both posts compliment one another quite well. By extension that give a hint into what Iran's next step will be.
This is just one of them:
https://substack.com/@fijirefugee/note/c-340853785
Oh, absolutely. I have been following him for a number of years.
Thank you
There is a “tribe” you failed to mention - Palestinians. Almost half the population of Jordan are Palestinian refugees, most of which have full Jordanian citizenship. Incidentally, the Palestinian Al-Husseini clan was implicated in the assassination of King Abdullah I. How do Palestinians fit into the tribal mix? Jordan has a long history of Westernization. Why would that change? And, what would be an alternative power grouping if Jordan turned away from Western alliances?
First, thank you so much for your response.😊
Second, palestinians are not seen so much as a tribe than as an ethnic group.
One can argue about that, but this would not be the place for it.
Third, there are a lot of tribes, but I only put the top 5 in many ways including the Bani Hassan, Bani Sakher ,and Magili.
Fourth, that's what makes the palestinian issue so fascinating, because the current queen is a palestinian. However, because of her and her family's reputation, she is seen more as a detriment than help.
That being said, thank you so much for your response. I always encourage dialogue 😊🙏🏽
It seems there is another new “tribe” in town - Chinese. Any vacuum left by the U.S. and EU exit is being filled by Chinese investment.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202608/1368721.shtml
And you are surprised at this?
No, I am not surprised, but I am confounded that China is seldom mentioned in discussions of the Middle East new power structure. They are always there waiting for the opportunity to make their move. They are far better equipped to thrive in that environment of transactional relationships.
Thank you for explaining the King's need for tribal support. Hard to understand why he thought he would keep it despite what he was doing.
Thank you for letting me know and for subscribing.😊
You are absolutely correct about the tribes. It's very complicated at times.
If you want have a deeper understanding of the system, however, watch my previous videos on jordan and MBS.
I think it will make it easier to understand.
Again, thank you for letting me know what you think😊
“tribal elders repeatedly urged the monarch to respect the ancient covenant”
- is this a scrip of a Game of Thrones episode, an excerpt from a textbook on ancient Egypt , or are you writing about a modern 21st century nation?
First, thank you so much for your response. I always want to know what people think.
Second, no, this is not from the Game of Thrones, but a reality.
People tend to forget that although Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan are modern states that are built about a 100 years ago or so. However, their culture and tribes go back several thousand years.
So what king abdullah did is no difference that what MBS tried to do.
Unfortunately for both leaders, it has led to their own demise because they eliminated the very pillars they needed to maintain their power.
Again thank you for your response😊
I agree. I can see both MBS and King Abdullah setting up home in the UK at some point.
What’s your view on Bahrain and King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa? Is he too at risk?
Thinking broadly, even our system of government is governed by tribal-like loyalties. Except the “tribes” take on ethnic or national origin or other similar loyalties. It’s not that different.
Thank you for that. Fascinating and explains a lot that always seemed odd to me.
You are very welcome and thank you so much for your response and subscribing. 😊
If you want to know a little bit more details, you can look at my videos on MBS and king Abdullah.
To the Arab People / Governments:
United YOU STAND,
Divided YOU FALL.
interesting speech from jordan at UN. last ditch effort?
First of all, emma, thank you for your response. Second thank you for subscribing😊
Third, it's too little too late because no one believes him. If he wanted to do something, from the tribal perspective, he would not have shut down the Iranian missiles heading towards Israel, or he would have at the very least, threatened to walk away from the Israeli contract if israel had not stopped its behavior.
The fact that Ben Gavir entered Al Aqsa mosque grounds again and he didn't do anything, is all the facts the tribes need.
The covenant is broken.
Very interesting. Nothing about this was reported in the Israeli press.
I'm glad you enjoy it and I thank you for your response and subscribing😊
This is an interesting read, thank you for writing it. A few thoughts:
People having been predicting Jordan’s doom since the 90s and it has evolved and changes, but the P-doom day for Jordan has never actually been what people prescribed. I think that trend needs to be addressed here, including after the Syria civil war and the Arab Spring (which I would argue was the moment the social contract changed with the tribes).
I think this credits Hamza too much influence. Yes, some still see him as an alternative but I feel that the 2022 situations did not leave him looking particularly stately or mature.
First of all, thank you for your opinion. We always encourage different mindsets😊
second, this isn't about just crediting prince hamza. This is about the tribes look to this young man, not only because he's the image of his father in every sense, but also they want the old covenant back.
Third, thank you very much for subscribing
"that had defined the historical covenant between the tribes and their kings for centuries."
As an Ottoman province, Jordan did not have a King since they were conquered in 1516. In 1946 the Hashemite Kingdon of Transjordan was formed with King Abdullah.
Jordan is a powder keg, can explode any time , the unlikely alliance with Israhell will backfire and the Israelis will try desperately to move all Palestinians to to Jordan and that will create a civil war war in Jordan
He and his father joined the cult … They're not Protectors
Sooner the Uncle Sam puppets occupying the thrones ( especially in Jordan and Saudi Arabia) are deposed and overthrown the better chance the region will have to confront the enemies
So you love international intrigue.
You must be a world mover and shaker.
(Supposedly).